Curse

Addone_Abaddon · Jul 02, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Assasins are good... I remember going into PvP with my warrior.. one assasin.. I walked out to fight... and an assasin jumped down on my and instantly killed me lol.

Silent Kitty · Jul 02, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Addone_Abaddon

Assasins are good... I remember going into PvP with my warrior.. one assasin.. I walked out to fight... and an assasin jumped down on my and instantly killed me lol.

Superior runes on you maybe?

FalconDance · Jul 02, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

YunSooJin: I do not PvP, don't really plan to ever, so I speak only of what I've noticed or experienced in PvE.

Assassins were never meant to be the front line tanks. If they are all you've got for a tank, then it behooves them to either do their damnedest and deal damage/stay alive OR you to develop a better party!

ange1 · Jul 02, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

while we are on the assasin topic, i just like to say, can you please stay away from shiroken elementalist. thanx

YunSooJin · Jul 02, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

YunSooJin: I do not PvP, don't really plan to ever, so I speak only of what I've noticed or experienced in PvE.

Assassins were never meant to be the front line tanks. If they are all you've got for a tank, then it behooves them to either do their damnedest and deal damage/stay alive OR you to develop a better party!

That's exactly the problem.
What I was outlining was the problem that while theoretically assassins have high DPS, in game applications their DPS is limited by their frantic attack and retreating as well as their limited skill selection due to attempting to pick skills to prevent damage to themselves.

If you want to compare them to warriors in damage, they probably do less in the end.

Why would anyone bring an assassin then? Either bring another warrior or another class.

EDIT:
People make the mistake of thinking tanks are always tanks. Warriors are tanks simply by virtue of their armor. The monster's warriors and assassins are usually of little consequence. Stare down the business end of a evis/exec/pene blow/pene chop and then ask who has high DPS.

FalconDance · Jul 02, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Personally, I built and 'retired' my 'sin twice (once at lvl 17 and the other a little lower lvl). My problem wasn't limited skills, it was a combination of too few skill slots and lack of versatility of usage because of the 1-2-3 order of 'sin attacks! If you have a 1-2-3, then you can have only two of those sequences. Imo, that really cuts the usefulness of a 'sin since there are several nice 2nd attacks or even dual attacks but if you don't have preceeding ones, you can't use them at all. Seems too limiting to me.

FalconDance · Jul 02, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

UPDATE: There is now an assassin Survivor!

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jul 02, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Yunsoon pick a sin over a second warrior because, sins can kill casters before they can kill him, a tank can't say the same, Sins and Tanks can really work together, while the tank tanks away, the sin can annihilate any caster that has his spells set on the warrior.

smork · Jul 02, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

match 3, evil vs mh is a great example of what sins can do.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jul 02, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

oh and yun soo I forgot to answer one of your other statements, I know people say Sins rokk but then go into the armor issues, but those aren't the best sins, the best sins are the ones who give you a combo then tell you how they get the hell outta there and then right back in.

Evilsod · Jul 02, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by ange1

while we are on the assasin topic, i just like to say, can you please stay away from shiroken elementalist. thanx

Tell that to Sister Tai...

On the bright side i've found taking Distracting Blow a great way to ensure i live by interrupting Silver Armour.

In GvG and PvP Assassin are lethal with AoD. Simply teleporting over to an enemy and rapidly assisting in a spike from out of the blue kills monks. So does using it to travel to the other monk and quickly knocking him down. I've found my AoD Blackout Assassin to be quite amusing in those situations. Specially as you can remove AoD even with a blacked out skillbar.

In PvE... the higher level enemies, the worse an assassin gets. I honestly can't see a use for 1 in FoW/UW. What are you gonna do an Abyssal before it turns round and knocks your head clean off? You just can't stand next to the Warrior, either the agro shifts to you or you get caught in all the attacks aimed at him. Sure you could bring along AoD and Vipers Defence... but your losing out on anything to cause damage now the more skill you bring for defence. Things like Barrage are just gonna tear you apart.

YunSooJin · Jul 03, 2006, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

Yunsoon pick a sin over a second warrior because, sins can kill casters before they can kill him, a tank can't say the same, Sins and Tanks can really work together, while the tank tanks away, the sin can annihilate any caster that has his spells set on the warrior.

Kijik - any competent warrior will take down any caster as fast as an assassin will.

I dont see how anyone can say different. Have you ever been spiked as a caster by a warrior in PvP? The normal evis-exec-penetrating-penetrating combo does an incredible amount of damage. Add that with frenzy/tiger's fury and you've got one csater dead within a couple seconds.

I would know - I do it all the time.

bam23 · Jul 03, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I wasn't a huge fan of the assassins either. That is, until I unlocked all the skills I needed for my assassin build and played a few rounds in AB.

They are a blast. xD

Yuo Can Do It! · Jul 03, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Assassins are....assassins. They're supposed to do their job quickly, effectively. If not, they're supposed to get the hell out of there < which is what most sins don't do, which is why people hate them.

They are glass cannons, they can be incredibly powerful (hell, 1 chain attack of 4-5 skills can kill a caster), but extremely weak. Basically a pvp class. The only use I see for them in PvE is possibly critical bow, but that has its limits as well.

YunSooJin · Jul 03, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by Yuo Can Do It!

Assassins are....assassins. They're supposed to do their job quickly, effectively. If not, they're supposed to get the hell out of there < which is what most sins don't do, which is why people hate them.

They are glass cannons, they can be incredibly powerful (hell, 1 chain attack of 4-5 skills can kill a caster), but extremely weak. Basically a pvp class. The only use I see for them in PvE is possibly critical bow, but that has its limits as well.

Guess that's what I'm trying to say but unable to say in so few words.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jul 03, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Yun Soo.. I may not have spiked anyone with my warr but have you spiked anyone with a sin? ALso after your tank spikes one of my casters, my sin comes and spikes lez see you.. Like I have said before, we need to stop comparing them and see how we can have them exist in harmony, for a better happier world

Thallandor · Jul 03, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

Before Factions came along, there were hate threads against Wammo and how some of us think Mending makes them invincible to Leeroy their way into any group of hostiles while the other half of the community calling them noob.

And now we have hate threads against Assassins.

Cant wait for Chapter 3 to see whats the next class to pick up the baton. ^^

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jul 03, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

yah now people actually "appreciate" wammos and think "hey its better than a sin" I an't wait for the next class either so that the heat gets taken off sins.

Mr Jazzy · Jul 03, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

i am a pro sin player.
no really, i am. i understand this profession very well, so here is my opinion.

as for the noob sins, everyone's got to understand this: assassins have a huge learning curve. their job in battle requires more focus than any other profession, save the monk.

your job is to stay behind the battle lines, and wait for that perfect opportunity. watch your enemies movements, watch your team's movements, and master COMMON SENSE.

to be successful, sins have to utilize "hit and run". KNOW that you are weaker than your foe. they know you are weak, so don't lie to yourself. get in quick, unleash a caster kill, then assess the situation. do you have enough hp? are people targeting you? these are questions you must ask yourself.

this is but a little insight into the sin profession. if you are really dedicated to this, there are tons of deep techniques for the assassin.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jul 03, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Very true jazzy oh and fight club FTW, we should make a sin fight club

oh and uh "Tyler Durden says: Use Soap"